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Parents’ questions go unanswered
by Bob Shiles
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John Buck, a Tanglewood Elementary School parent, speaks at the PTA Executive Board meeting on Tuesday. Buck and about 150 other parents and school employees from Tanglewood and Rowland-Norment elementary schools voiced their opposition to the school board's proposal to transfer fourth-grade students to Carroll Middle School to make room for out-of-district students. | Kelly Mayo | The Robesonian
John Buck, a Tanglewood Elementary School parent, speaks at the PTA Executive Board meeting on Tuesday. Buck and about 150 other parents and school employees from Tanglewood and Rowland-Norment elementary schools voiced their opposition to the school board's proposal to transfer fourth-grade students to Carroll Middle School to make room for out-of-district students. | Kelly Mayo | The Robesonian
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LUMBERTON — Parents concerned about a proposal to transfer fourth-grade students from Tanglewood and Rowland-Norment elementary schools to Carroll Middle School say they want a meeting with the full Board of Education and school administrators to find out why the elementary students are being transferred.

About 150 people — parents and educators — attended a Tanglewood PTA meeting Tuesday in hopes of finding out information about the proposal and to air their concerns after the school board on Saturday approved the transfers at its retreat. The transfers would take place before the next school year.

Two board members attended Tuesday’s meeting — Chairman Mike Smith and Dwayne Smith, whose district includes Tanglewood and Carroll Middle schools — which ended without any resolution. The chairman defended the absence of board members and administrators by noting that some were at another event that had been planned for a couple of months.

At the board’s retreat, Dwayne Smith was joined by board members Bosco Locklear and Severeo Kerns in opposing the plan. During that meeting, school administrators supplied information stating that there are 114 third-grade students at Tanglewood and 87 at Rowland-Norment who would be transferred. Walter Jackson, an assistant superintendent, said five teachers from Tanglewood and four teachers from Rowland-Norment would also move to the middle school.

Dwayne Smith repeatedly told the crowd that he is not against transfers, but worries about overcrowding. He said that unless the school district’s policy for transfers is enforced, any space that becomes available by moving out the fourth-graders will most likely be filled by transfer students from other schools.

Dwayne Smith said that he was never consulted by other board members about their plans to transfer the fourth-grade to the middle school.

“It’s plain and simple,” he said. “There are people trying to make decisions for us in our district and precinct that have not even been in our schools.

“The problem is we (board members) are not respecting each other. This is unfair to our community and kids. … I think this is a decision not being made fairly.”

Parents raised many questions about the proposal, most of which could not be answered by either board member.

‘This is a hasty decision,” said Josh Whitley, a parent. “If we are going to do this we should be looking at all options. I really don’t know of the urgency.”

Several parents said that it would not be in the best interest of fourth-grade students, most of whom are 9 or 10 years old, to be placed in a middle school. They argued that the younger students are not sufficiently mature to prosper in a middle school.

James Bass, who has a child in kindergarten, called it “reckless” and “irresponsible” for school officials to move forward with the transfers without a long-range plan.

“This seems like a haphazard solution,” Bass said. “There needs to be research and a plan that involves input from all constituents.”

Some parents criticized the timing of the board’s announcement. They said that their children are upset knowing that they will be leaving their elementary schools when the new school year begins.

“It is a shame this came out in the paper one week before the kids take the EOG,” said a parent who didn’t identify herself.

Hayley Howard, the mother of a 9-year-old student at Rowland-Norment, said the news devastated her son.

“He saw the news in the newspaper on Sunday and came to me and asked why he can’t stay for the fourth grade here (Rowland-Norment),” Howard said. “This is just before the EOGs, and now he has more on his plate to worry about.”

At the suggestion of Dwayne Smith, those present at Tuesday’s meeting said they want to schedule a meeting with the full board and school administrators.

“I think these chairs need to be filled,” Smith said, pointing to empty chairs on the stage in the cafeteria that had been placed there for board members. “They need to give us a reason why they are doing this. We deserve answers and we are not getting them.”

No date has yet been set for the meeting. Many of those in the audience said they would attend the June meeting of the school board when a vote would make the transfer official.

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JohnHopkins
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18 Hours Ago
RossisRight please read the following excerpts from your last two comments....hilarious!!!

Excerpt #1:

"Some things are better left unchanged, like marriage, the bible, etc....."

Excerpt #2:

"Sunday school teacher, why not "change" marriage to include gay people?"

RossisRight....more like RossisCONFUSED....

No harm done though, I really needed a great laugh to start my Friday. Have a great weekend my brother!!!

ROSSisRIGHT
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10 Hours Ago
Jhonhopkins: My goodness fella, and you are a sunday school teacher?

Let me explain it to you slowly, I don't want marriage changed. I was using an example of what YOU think SHOULDN'T be changed as compared to what YOU think SHOULD be changed, teacher. You think what you believe in is more important than what others believe in.

I believe you shouldn't teach Sunday school, do you agree?

You made a blanket statement in your comment earlier about "change" and how it's good for children to be "taught to embrace it". I corrected you and said we like things the way they are.

Ps. I think the members in your class need to "embrace change" and get a new sunday school teacher, it's better for all... and pay attention to detail next time.
Nanao'3
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May 22, 2013
My own children attended Tanglewood; my oldest started kindergarten just as the school districts were merging to form Robeson County Schools. There was much controversy then, as there is now.

Now, I have grandchildren attending Tanglewood. I'm concerned, not only about their well-being and adjustment to the proposed changes, but for the other children as well.

My job requires that I travel and I have had the opportunity to meet some beautiful people; some who, when learning where I'm from, have commented about visiting the area....maybe a job proposal or because of having family in the community. Sadly, I have often been told that it is because of the school system that they chose to not live in this area. (No, they rarely point out the crime statistics, as many probably assumed.) In fact today I met a young wife of a physician, who although both of them had family ties to Robeson County, thought it best to move to an area approx 1.5 hrs away because they believed this school system to be less than desirable for their own children.

I am saddened when I hear comments such as these because I have friends who are educators and who have a genuine desire to help the children of this county. Where then lies the problem...is it in the Board and filtering down to the classrooms...does it start in the homes of the children whose parents fail to become actively involved in their children's educations...or does it fall back on each of us for not becoming more involved in the decisions that ultimately affect us all?!!

facethefacts
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May 22, 2013
If you want your child to go to tanglewood,then move here and pay the taxes,otherwise sounds like the school board has another lawsuit
orighawk
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May 22, 2013
If the school board was correctly allocating money then the schools would be on equal grounds no matter the tax base of the area. State monies provided through the local board are supposed to be sent to the schools with the most need to equal out the "cost" of education per pupil and people wouldn't feel that they have to drive their kids by 2 schools to get to the one they think will educate them the best.
Pigsqueel
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May 22, 2013
This is the most screwed up county in America, politicians do there dirty work on the phone, and it works every time to get what they want. When is the board members and superintendetn going to do whats right for the students and not for them? God help this county of selfish people doint thing wrong, Im suprised and tornado hasnt flattend this crooked county, God has mercy to the crooks to, until!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AlizaInbari
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May 22, 2013
The problem is that The Board of Education wants more out of district students to come in to Tanglewood instead of the 4th graders. This is the reason behind this move. They don't consider that many of the school's students, and of the 4th graders in particular, will move to Southeastern Academy Charter School next year, so there will not be a problem of overcrowding in Tanglewood next year.
deedee5
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May 22, 2013
As a parent of out of district kids, I see both sides of this. Yet my employment supports the need for out of district. As a new resident to the area I'm outraged by all the negative comments and surroundings. When you look at Lumberton from another location (state) you get a different picture. With that being said I support the children and whats best/ideal for them. Has Robeson County looked at surrounding areas and how they handle growth? Citizens of the county ask yourself this; "When was the last new school built?" Areas near and far from Robeson are dealing with this annually and new schools being built almost yearly. Or with at least a plan for the growth. While Robeson may be suffering economically and developmentally. The populace of the county continues to grow. You have RCC, UNCP and Southeastern Health. All three of which attract a variety of new people. Hispanics, Burmese both of which are increasing in populace. Teen pregnancies are also contributing. With these people contributing to the size of the community. Last month I encountered a 19 yr. old on her 5th child! This transfer of 4th graders a year early is only a BandAid for a long term problem! Look at the complaints of overcrowding in your two biggest highschools. You have overcrowding across the board yes much of it due to out of district. But if all involved were in their "own" district you would still see overcrowding. Problem still not solved!!!
ROSSisRIGHT
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May 22, 2013
What's your point?

Alizainbari
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May 22, 2013
The problem is that The Board of Education wants more out of district students to come in instead of the 4th graders. This is the reason behind this move. They don't consider that many of the school's students, and of the 4th graders in particular, will move to Southeastern Academy Charter School next year, so there will not be a problem of overcrowding in Tanglewood next year.
Lookhigher
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May 22, 2013
Loistine P. DeFreece - Vice Chair –

I only have one question: Why were you not there supporting this last night? This is your agenda, stand next to the other 6 people and explain this.

You could have had other plans last night but so did more than 150 other people.

The one question I really want you to answer is, why you and the other board members didn’t provide one other option? Not one!

Shame on you and the “reckless 7”

Pigsqueel
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May 22, 2013
Shame on you Defreece, your pride will fall one day. You have been a reckless person to work with in the past, and your're still sitting on that board with you bigotry.
concernedparent3
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May 22, 2013
First, let me say Thank You to Mike Smith for showing up last night!!! There were a lot of comments made and directed at you when you did not have a vote at the retreat. Thank you for listening. You may not have a vote on June 11th but you just might could control the agenda...you heard our voices along with the loudest of all the 9 year old girl that asked to be allowed to stay at her school.

While a future meeting is being arranged I urge each of you to contact all of the board members asking that they put this vote on hold for one year to see how many kids from these schools move to the SeA (charter school). This is not the time for name calling and pointing fingers this will get our kids nothing!!! Mr. Campbell, Ms. Defreece you live in our districts why can't you listen to our voices?? We know you hear us..Our kids are screaming, we are begging that you reconsider this vote for every kid at Rowland Norment and Tanglewood. Mr. Gary Strickland, would you allow this to happen at your child's school? Mr. Randy Lawson, Mr. Steve Martin, Ms. Joann Lowery would you have allowed this at your child's school? Please put aside any other reasons you have for passing this other than for the betterment of the children at these two schools.

Please come to our meeting when it is scheduled...no name calling, pointing fingers or screaming matches...just listen to our conerns.

Lastly, Mr. Kerns and Mr. Locklear...Thank you for listening to us. Thank you for seeing the BIG PICTURE.

I will pray for each of you that you really do some soul searching before June 11 and that you act on behalf of every child in these schools and not because of any feelings you may have toward another board member or community leader.

Stand tall when you wake up on June 12th and show our children what you are made of. LEAD US BY EXAMPLE....Thank you!!!

TheGipper
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May 22, 2013
The liberal transfer policy has caused an overcrowded situation in the Tanglewood School

Tanglewood Elementary total Student population = 538 approx.

Student Transfers into Tanglewood from other school districts = 122 approx

Approximate 4th grade Students to be moved out of the school = 110 approx

Even a 4th Grader can see that the Liberal out of control transfer policy has created the overcrowded problem.

The simplest and least costly solution to the tax payers and students is to cap the total students allowed to transfer to Tanglewood to a reasonable amount similar to the county averages of 40 student transfers and reevaluate the student tallies next year.

AlizaInbari
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May 22, 2013
Let's do the math: there are 26 classes in Tangelwood k-4. If you divide 538/26=20.7. Having on avarage 21 kids in a class is not overcrouded. Next year, with the opening of SEA, about 50 kids would leave Tangelwood. Let's do the math again:

490/26=18.8. There is not problem here, when you look at the facts. The problem is political, and I don't believe it would hold water in court.
onetwenty
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May 22, 2013
when and where is the june meeting?
JohnHopkins
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May 22, 2013
Let me start by saying that I don't have a dog in this fight...This is only my opinion, so there's no need for a rebuttal. As an observer, I understand where these parents are coming from...They feel they have to defend their children, it's instinct when you feel your child is being treated unfairly to come to their defense. It's what good parents do. Speaking from experience, it's not necessarily the right thing to do though. I tried basically the same thing for my son a few years back thinking that I was protecting him. They were starting a new school year and placing him in a class with kids he didn't know and I thought it would devastate him, when in reality he blossomed from the new setting. Folks it's only a different building. They will still be in the 4th grade, with the same children, and the same teachers. When you look back on your school years, it wasn't about the address, it was about the friendships and the teachers that left an impression. The greater of a catastrophe that you make it out to be, the greater of an issue it will be for your children. Don't put them in a panic....encourage your children to embrace change and that is the best way to prepare them for a bright future.
looking
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May 22, 2013
parents,parents,parents you are showing your weakness,,,,,,,does not matter which school they attend if you do your job at home
bhg8087
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May 22, 2013
Very well said John Hopkins!!! Intelligent response!!
duckaholic
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May 22, 2013
You made some very good points JohnHopkins. I am also just an observer but someone would think there is a plague at Carroll Middle School.There must be issues there that need to be addressed for so many parents not wanting there children to be transferred there not even one year earlier. When I was attending school in this city, I went to Tanglewood thru the third grade and then to Joe P Moore in the forth grade. Same thing that the kids would be experiencing now and it didn't take long to adjust. Probably an adjustment that actually helped maturity as I got older. If there is an issue about the parents that pay taxes verses those that don't, just charge the parents of the transferred kids a fee to do so. Lord knows the school system and the classrooms need the money. Seems there should be more concern for the kids having learning materials instead of which school they will be attending.
ROSSisRIGHT
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May 22, 2013
You embrace change, we like things just the way they are.

If it were left up to people like you we'd change the bible as you see fit.

That word "change" has become a silly word the democrats use to get their way, just like you used it. You can't scare us with that word, it means nothing anymore.

Some things are better left unchanged, like marriage, the bible, etc.....

ps. And to anyone ready to fire off something stupid about "things remaining the same" it doesn't matter what you think, those of us who matter don't care how you think.

JohnHopkins
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May 23, 2013
RossisRight, I respect your opinion, even if you don't respect mine. It's ok with me for you to feel the way you do.

FYI, I believe in the Bible and love the Lord, because he first loved folks like me and you. I teach Sunday School and try to live what I teach....I don't support same sex marriage, and lastly, I don't vote Democrat.

So, it looks like RossisRight was all wrong with your accusations. I truly hope the Lord takes all the anger you are carrying around away and gives you some peace. Take care all.
ROSSisRIGHT
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May 23, 2013
Sunday school teacher, why not "change" marriage to include gay people? Oh, it's ok that you want others to "change" what they feel is important to them, but you want things you believe in to be left alone. Isn't that fair, you think your beliefs are more important than others beliefs. Don't work that way. What you feel strongly about may not mean squat to me, but I don't demand you "change" your opinion/beliefs.

ps. Correction..I'm never wrong.
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